Wednesday, November 01, 2006
Crappy and politically motivated: Domestic Violence bill
Comments from one of the concerned individual about the new "Domestic Violence bill" in India.
I am really not getting what is happening here. But, I
can feel that persons are discussing about the newly
implemented DV Law. I also like to share something.
Just going through point to point:
1.) This Law seems that against the women community.
It will create more problems and uncertain life for
them.
2.) It seems that few women who couldn't save her
families and later on when they have got the power,
so, now they are trying to destroy other families.
3.) It is the crap created by this government without
knowing it's real problems. Very simple thinking, in
this world family is the smallest unit considered and
in this smallest unit, husband and wife relation is
the smallest of the smallest. Government has put the
law in this smallest unit too. Is this a right
thing???
4.) A small small problems between husband and wife
which, are easily solved by their mutual love and
understanding. Now, it will directly go for the
divorce (e.g. breaking the family and in turn to
affect the children which are the coming generation of
this country).
5.) This law completely looks politicaly motivated
and has been implemented to get the vote/favour of
innocent women.
6.) First these politicians have tried to break this
society/country on the basis of religion after that on
the basis of caste and now on the basis of gender.
7.) One very important aspect which, has not been
considered at all by those law makers before
implementing this law is, in spite of the
implementation of stringent laws like 498a and few
others since long time , still crime against women is
increasing by 40% every year. Have these people
thought over this point why it is still worsening???
This result itself says, law like this will not at all
help to solve the problem rather worse the problem.
8.) This law will create more problem in the marriage
of those girls who are little bit adavnce or well
educated or somewhat more egoistic. Because, this law
has not left any space between husband and wife to
solve their small small conflicts. Now, if girl's
parent will see that boys are more inclined towards a
well mannered, softly, less advance or hi-fi and cool
mind set girls then, they will be forced to keep their
girls at home rather than to send to convent or to
distant places for study. Psychology says that
confidence in a person always comes along with little
bit of the ego too.
9.) I will only say, male and female both should be
considered that both are natures beautiful creation
and created by nature to live in harmony and create
harmony and peace for others. Men should also realise
the importance of women and vice versa. I know that
crime against women are more. But, this will not go by
forcing a mind rather it will go by changing the mind
set. FOr this, to create awareness among male and
female are very very important. I think, forcing the
men mind will only worse the problem rather than to
solve it.
10.) We should not think that a problem which, is
coming since long time will be solved by overnight by
making these kind of laws. It will take it's own time.
If someone thinks, it is a overnight work it is simply
unprofessional, immature and impractical thinking.
11.) These politicians are not able or have not guts
to create the awareness among people so, they are
implementing these kind of laws. They are simply
running away from there basic duties.
12.) It is almost sure that these laws again will be
misused by well educated, advance, egoistic, bad
mannered girls more. This law which, has been made
mainly to target the problems in rural or suburban
areas or low class people will hardly get any response
from them. Rather it will be misused by greedy wives,
bad mannered girls etc.
13.) At last, I will only say and pray to males and
females of this country to understand the politics
behind this. It would be better if both (specially
men) should respect each others wishes, emotions and
feelings. And, live with love, affection and caring
for each other. Men in no way to beat or slap his
wives rather understand her and convince her with your
words. And, also listen her concerns.
Men should think that we are living in a civilized
society and in a civilized society MEN and WOMEN both
should grow equally. There are no differences between
MALE and FEMALE.
Regards
Raj
I am really not getting what is happening here. But, I
can feel that persons are discussing about the newly
implemented DV Law. I also like to share something.
Just going through point to point:
1.) This Law seems that against the women community.
It will create more problems and uncertain life for
them.
2.) It seems that few women who couldn't save her
families and later on when they have got the power,
so, now they are trying to destroy other families.
3.) It is the crap created by this government without
knowing it's real problems. Very simple thinking, in
this world family is the smallest unit considered and
in this smallest unit, husband and wife relation is
the smallest of the smallest. Government has put the
law in this smallest unit too. Is this a right
thing???
4.) A small small problems between husband and wife
which, are easily solved by their mutual love and
understanding. Now, it will directly go for the
divorce (e.g. breaking the family and in turn to
affect the children which are the coming generation of
this country).
5.) This law completely looks politicaly motivated
and has been implemented to get the vote/favour of
innocent women.
6.) First these politicians have tried to break this
society/country on the basis of religion after that on
the basis of caste and now on the basis of gender.
7.) One very important aspect which, has not been
considered at all by those law makers before
implementing this law is, in spite of the
implementation of stringent laws like 498a and few
others since long time , still crime against women is
increasing by 40% every year. Have these people
thought over this point why it is still worsening???
This result itself says, law like this will not at all
help to solve the problem rather worse the problem.
8.) This law will create more problem in the marriage
of those girls who are little bit adavnce or well
educated or somewhat more egoistic. Because, this law
has not left any space between husband and wife to
solve their small small conflicts. Now, if girl's
parent will see that boys are more inclined towards a
well mannered, softly, less advance or hi-fi and cool
mind set girls then, they will be forced to keep their
girls at home rather than to send to convent or to
distant places for study. Psychology says that
confidence in a person always comes along with little
bit of the ego too.
9.) I will only say, male and female both should be
considered that both are natures beautiful creation
and created by nature to live in harmony and create
harmony and peace for others. Men should also realise
the importance of women and vice versa. I know that
crime against women are more. But, this will not go by
forcing a mind rather it will go by changing the mind
set. FOr this, to create awareness among male and
female are very very important. I think, forcing the
men mind will only worse the problem rather than to
solve it.
10.) We should not think that a problem which, is
coming since long time will be solved by overnight by
making these kind of laws. It will take it's own time.
If someone thinks, it is a overnight work it is simply
unprofessional, immature and impractical thinking.
11.) These politicians are not able or have not guts
to create the awareness among people so, they are
implementing these kind of laws. They are simply
running away from there basic duties.
12.) It is almost sure that these laws again will be
misused by well educated, advance, egoistic, bad
mannered girls more. This law which, has been made
mainly to target the problems in rural or suburban
areas or low class people will hardly get any response
from them. Rather it will be misused by greedy wives,
bad mannered girls etc.
13.) At last, I will only say and pray to males and
females of this country to understand the politics
behind this. It would be better if both (specially
men) should respect each others wishes, emotions and
feelings. And, live with love, affection and caring
for each other. Men in no way to beat or slap his
wives rather understand her and convince her with your
words. And, also listen her concerns.
Men should think that we are living in a civilized
society and in a civilized society MEN and WOMEN both
should grow equally. There are no differences between
MALE and FEMALE.
Regards
Raj
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498A Section should not be a nightmare. The reason it is so is because as we read here, the police arrest the husband and the family upon the lady's first complain and then the case starts. The lady in question can complain to the police and then the police have to tell her to hire a lawyer to fight the case. The idea seems that the lady likes to harrase the husband and his family and this can be done so easily as she does not have to lift a stick or hire a gunda as the police do that job for her and so the police are guilty here and they should firstly be taken to the court and then the husband. Come on police we have to see you as god figure. Please dont lose your chance to get moksha doing your duty. As clearly it is the police harrasing and not the husband in many cases. So is there a 498A/Police to go legally against the police? These cases will almost get very small in number if this police illegal decision is put to check. People are clearly not scared of a letter from the lady's lawyer as they have the time and the money to fight back with the proof we see here. But how they do this and specially from abroad as they have the fear of being arrested in the first place? If one tries to be a Gandhi in 2006 India, he/she gets a bullet bit too quick and seems from the law itself. This is why many NRI guys are now not interested in marrying lady from India. Plenty choice within UK and USA. So why to place the head in the mouth of a money eating law for simple thing as marriage/divorce rules. Wah!!! UK Guy
# posted by 
: 10:44 AM, November 01, 2006
: 10:44 AM, November 01, 2006
NRI lost interest and respect for the place when recently got into this trap. Previously was visiting India regularly and also contrubuted at places of need. Totally innocent but now even scared to place information here with name and address.....simply because you never know what can happen. My life is valued by me and dont want it ruined by some thugs when such law exists in India. Can we please have more Gandhis from the politicians of India? Gandhi opened this employment.....that is Official Indian politics. So let us give something in return to HIM please. UK Guy.
# posted by : 5:46 AM, November 02, 2006
: 5:46 AM, November 02, 2006
Reading all this about the misuse of law and in particular misuse of 498A, I have a suggestion for NRI. Go to India for a holiday. Like now, don’t get involved with politics and business there in India. By now after many years abroad, you have got this title of being a NRI. Most likely you are born abroad. So be a NRI. They used to say when you marry a lady, the 2 families also get married. The problems get sorted out by the 2 families. But remember now…..REMEMBER…..NRI guy not only marries an Indian lady from India but also marries the India police, who are the first ones to arrest you before you are found guilty. Why we blame the law? The law is there. The people who put the law in place are the ones to take the responsibility. So why marry a lady from India in the first place? There are plenty of Indian ladies abroad also where you now live. The Indian lady from India will find it difficult to adjust to the life abroad…..in particular UK and then will blame you and they have the additional police force in India who they can rely on to lock you up next time you are in India or can call you to India by arresting your family member in India, if you have any there. Why marry one and try to see if she adjusts to the life in UK. Why take this risk as she has the Indian police on her side to even ruin your future visits to India. Be safe where you belong and serve that country. You are a NRI and be a NRI. Yes, visit India, see the place, enjoy the Darshans at religious places, enjoy the food and get out after that, back to where you belong. Sorry India this is happening now after personal experience. I am giving my points only about this one problem in India. It is up to others and India herself to address other issues. UK guy.
# posted by : 2:46 PM, November 02, 2006
: 2:46 PM, November 02, 2006
Indians
SOME VERY IMPRESSIVE FACTS ABOUT INDIANS IN USA !!!
There are 3.22 Million Indians in America
38% of Doctors in America are Indians.
12% of Scientists in America are Indians.
36% of NASA employees are Indians.
34% of MICROSOFT employees are Indians
28% of IBM employees are Indians
17% of INTEL employees are Indians
13% of XEROX employees are Indians
23% of Indian Community in America is having Green-Card'
Above information from an email
So why they went to USA in the first place?
Why so many more still want to go to USA and UK in 2006?
WAKE UP INDIA.
SOME VERY IMPRESSIVE FACTS ABOUT INDIANS IN USA !!!
There are 3.22 Million Indians in America
38% of Doctors in America are Indians.
12% of Scientists in America are Indians.
36% of NASA employees are Indians.
34% of MICROSOFT employees are Indians
28% of IBM employees are Indians
17% of INTEL employees are Indians
13% of XEROX employees are Indians
23% of Indian Community in America is having Green-Card'
Above information from an email
So why they went to USA in the first place?
Why so many more still want to go to USA and UK in 2006?
WAKE UP INDIA.
# posted by : 6:59 AM, November 03, 2006
: 6:59 AM, November 03, 2006
Why they left India?..... Because many of them might be children of the leaders and the rich in India and prefer to live in the west.
# posted by : 7:15 AM, November 03, 2006
: 7:15 AM, November 03, 2006
UK GUY HAS READ THIS ARTICLE ON INTERNET.....
(KNOWS OF ANOTHER CASE WHERE ANOTHER LADY FROM INDIA HAD COMPLAINED TO THE POLICE ABOUT SIMILAR INCIDENT AND THEN THE POLICE WERE AFTER HER BODY.....NOW THAT LADY IS IN UK). SO GRADUALLY INDIA WILL HAVE MANY DISTURBED LADIES AND SINGLE PARENT CHILDREN. BIG PRICE TO PAY).
Dear Friends,
I am please to blog this on behalf of this 17 Yr Old College going Girl, She Writes
I being a 21st Century Girl doesn’t believe that India is a male dominated country because now-a-days abla’s are sabla’s I mean to say that today’s generation women always want to get something which is new branded and which also has a status symbol that too sitting at home without earning anything. This whole pressure comes on the poor husband who has to listen to his parents, to his in-law, to his boss to his children’s demand too. Irrespective of his demand he has to fulfill his family demand first.
If demand is not fulfilled by him then he has to listen to his wife’s taunts, his children’s frustration to face other problems too. Husbands also have only one person to whom they can talk i.e. to their wife, But dominating nature of wives make them more angry and violent due to which male remove their frustration in form of anger and violence. After that, the spouse or man’s better half do the propaganda of their so called plight without thinking about their husband’s mental status. Thus, adding fuel to fire. They do this with their sure shot and powerful weapon i.e. Tears. Some wives are so great that they directly go to the cops without thinking once about the consequences on their husbands and his family members, Due to which males like (Ram) have to suffer a lot.
This thought of mine can be explained with my personally witnessed experience some days back in my friend’s case. She was genuinely eve teased by some notorious guys in her neighborhood. Her father came to know about this incidence and he called the cops. The guys were taken to question by the police. But to my surprise the police did not even question us at all!!! They took us on face value and the guys were bashed royally by police. And we were not even questioned at all. I could sense the loop hole that I hear many elder married guys stuck in divorce who talks about it, like the one in my neighborhood. Before which I had no whiff about the whole thing.
I asked the police if we could leave and he understood my gesture on face. And he said to us that “You are like our daughters and we have now to be extra cautious about our image too, especially after the rape cases”
And that is where after the NC was lodged I could make out that men are really really vulnerable and women is actually dominating men using men (police) and law to the maximum of their advantage.
No doubt my friends’ grievance was genuine but the statement of the police and the treatment given to the accused at the face value of the whole matter made my conscience prick me to the extent of telling me that thank god I do not have a brother else he could have been victimized and would have been equally vulnerable to this attitude of the police.
“That keeps me pondering on the question that “Is India Really a Male Dominated Country???”
Sneha Kala.
XII Commerce, C-11.
Thakur College
(KNOWS OF ANOTHER CASE WHERE ANOTHER LADY FROM INDIA HAD COMPLAINED TO THE POLICE ABOUT SIMILAR INCIDENT AND THEN THE POLICE WERE AFTER HER BODY.....NOW THAT LADY IS IN UK). SO GRADUALLY INDIA WILL HAVE MANY DISTURBED LADIES AND SINGLE PARENT CHILDREN. BIG PRICE TO PAY).
Dear Friends,
I am please to blog this on behalf of this 17 Yr Old College going Girl, She Writes
I being a 21st Century Girl doesn’t believe that India is a male dominated country because now-a-days abla’s are sabla’s I mean to say that today’s generation women always want to get something which is new branded and which also has a status symbol that too sitting at home without earning anything. This whole pressure comes on the poor husband who has to listen to his parents, to his in-law, to his boss to his children’s demand too. Irrespective of his demand he has to fulfill his family demand first.
If demand is not fulfilled by him then he has to listen to his wife’s taunts, his children’s frustration to face other problems too. Husbands also have only one person to whom they can talk i.e. to their wife, But dominating nature of wives make them more angry and violent due to which male remove their frustration in form of anger and violence. After that, the spouse or man’s better half do the propaganda of their so called plight without thinking about their husband’s mental status. Thus, adding fuel to fire. They do this with their sure shot and powerful weapon i.e. Tears. Some wives are so great that they directly go to the cops without thinking once about the consequences on their husbands and his family members, Due to which males like (Ram) have to suffer a lot.
This thought of mine can be explained with my personally witnessed experience some days back in my friend’s case. She was genuinely eve teased by some notorious guys in her neighborhood. Her father came to know about this incidence and he called the cops. The guys were taken to question by the police. But to my surprise the police did not even question us at all!!! They took us on face value and the guys were bashed royally by police. And we were not even questioned at all. I could sense the loop hole that I hear many elder married guys stuck in divorce who talks about it, like the one in my neighborhood. Before which I had no whiff about the whole thing.
I asked the police if we could leave and he understood my gesture on face. And he said to us that “You are like our daughters and we have now to be extra cautious about our image too, especially after the rape cases”
And that is where after the NC was lodged I could make out that men are really really vulnerable and women is actually dominating men using men (police) and law to the maximum of their advantage.
No doubt my friends’ grievance was genuine but the statement of the police and the treatment given to the accused at the face value of the whole matter made my conscience prick me to the extent of telling me that thank god I do not have a brother else he could have been victimized and would have been equally vulnerable to this attitude of the police.
“That keeps me pondering on the question that “Is India Really a Male Dominated Country???”
Sneha Kala.
XII Commerce, C-11.
Thakur College
# posted by : 5:09 AM, November 05, 2006
: 5:09 AM, November 05, 2006
They used to say when you marry a lady, the 2 families also get married. The problems get sorted out by the 2 families. But remember now…..REMEMBER…..NRI guy and and others dont only marry an Indian lady from India but also marries the Indian police, who are the first ones to arrest you before you are found guilty. Why we blame the law? The law is there. The people who put the law in place are the ones to take the responsibility. So why marry an lady from India in the first place
# posted by : 10:59 AM, November 09, 2006
: 10:59 AM, November 09, 2006
FACTS IN SIMPLE ENGLISH
India is so divided as it is and such laws will only send females to some sector of the men population....eg men police, men lawyers, men judges. As per the law, men are not trusted it seems and most of the people handling the cases are men. This is the place where the same ladies will say yes sir and can end up doing whatever is said to them and will have to keep the mouth shut also, and later realise what real trouble can be.
Let all that happen and then when they don’t have any place to go to, then the lesson will be learnt…..is this what we want to happen to our sisters, wives and mothers? Don’t you think it will be too late by then? Meaning….. where will they complain when harassed by men police, men lawyers, and men judges? These guys may not be your husbands but they will still be men. Will they care for you more than your husbands? Will they truly care for you?
Lot needs to be done to have good population of men police, men lawyers, men judges etc before letting these women go to these men. I say this because men are not trusted as per the law. It is like a case where a woman law maker is sending a poor cow to a lion hoping that the lion is a vegetarian. Note for the law maker (specially the female law maker):- Please first sort out other problems before this creates more problems for the society.
NOW YOU MIGHT BE THINKING:- IS THIS IS WRITTEN BY A MAN OR A WOMAN? THIS IS WRITTEN BY A HUMAN BEING. UK.
India is so divided as it is and such laws will only send females to some sector of the men population....eg men police, men lawyers, men judges. As per the law, men are not trusted it seems and most of the people handling the cases are men. This is the place where the same ladies will say yes sir and can end up doing whatever is said to them and will have to keep the mouth shut also, and later realise what real trouble can be.
Let all that happen and then when they don’t have any place to go to, then the lesson will be learnt…..is this what we want to happen to our sisters, wives and mothers? Don’t you think it will be too late by then? Meaning….. where will they complain when harassed by men police, men lawyers, and men judges? These guys may not be your husbands but they will still be men. Will they care for you more than your husbands? Will they truly care for you?
Lot needs to be done to have good population of men police, men lawyers, men judges etc before letting these women go to these men. I say this because men are not trusted as per the law. It is like a case where a woman law maker is sending a poor cow to a lion hoping that the lion is a vegetarian. Note for the law maker (specially the female law maker):- Please first sort out other problems before this creates more problems for the society.
NOW YOU MIGHT BE THINKING:- IS THIS IS WRITTEN BY A MAN OR A WOMAN? THIS IS WRITTEN BY A HUMAN BEING. UK.
# posted by : 3:21 PM, November 17, 2006
: 3:21 PM, November 17, 2006
FROM THIS 498A SECTION AND HOW IT WORKS, IT SEEMS THAT IT IS VERY VERY SAFE FOR AN INDIAN LADY FROM INDIA TO MARRY AN INDIAN POLICE-MAN, INDIAN MAN LAWYER, INDIAN MAN JUDGE. .....ARE THEY ALL PERFECT AND UNTOUCHABLE BY THE LAW???!!! AND IS THE REST OF THE MEN POPULATION UNTOUCHABLE BY THE WOMEN POPULATION???!!! UK PERSON.
# posted by : 1:01 AM, November 18, 2006
: 1:01 AM, November 18, 2006
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Let us bring in equal laws for all human beings and not one law for ladies and one for gentlemen.....otherwise both sexes will fight like cats and dogs like now. So seems we have brought in more fights while trying to stop one fight.
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Let us bring in equal laws for all human beings and not one law for ladies and one for gentlemen.....otherwise both sexes will fight like cats and dogs like now. So seems we have brought in more fights while trying to stop one fight.
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# posted by : 4:11 AM, November 19, 2006
: 4:11 AM, November 19, 2006
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Let us bring in equal laws for all human beings and not one law for ladies and one for gentlemen.....otherwise both sexes will fight like cats and dogs like now. So seems we have brought in more fights while trying to stop one fight. UK Guy.
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Let us bring in equal laws for all human beings and not one law for ladies and one for gentlemen.....otherwise both sexes will fight like cats and dogs like now. So seems we have brought in more fights while trying to stop one fight. UK Guy.
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# posted by : 4:20 AM, November 19, 2006
: 4:20 AM, November 19, 2006
Lot needs to be done to have good population of men police, men lawyers, men judges etc before letting these women go to these men. I say this because men are not trusted as per the law. It is like a case where a woman law maker is sending a poor cow to a lion hoping that the lion is a vegetarian. Note for the law maker (specially the female law maker):- Please first sort out other problems before this creates more problems for the society. UK Guy.
# posted by : 8:17 AM, November 28, 2006
: 8:17 AM, November 28, 2006
Yes,DV Bll means to create domestic violence in peaceful families. It is clear that this bill was drafted by feminist groups with the intension of harassing man who helped them to come out of Sathi Sahagamanam stage and helped them to reach good positions in society. The extremism in feminism is moving beyond control. They want to keep the ball in their court always so that they can play as they like. Only very minor percntage of feminist want that man to be troubled, where as no family woman supports this.
--These feminists want every woman in our country to be like them on the roads, but family women don't like this feminist attitudes. One day these family women only will give them lessons. That day is not far of.
--These feminists want every woman in our country to be like them on the roads, but family women don't like this feminist attitudes. One day these family women only will give them lessons. That day is not far of.
# posted by : 3:46 AM, December 07, 2006
: 3:46 AM, December 07, 2006
Yes it is a bit like giving "false legal teeth" to a lion to tear up and eat certain type of meat only. Dilip. UK.
# posted by : 1:21 PM, December 26, 2006
: 1:21 PM, December 26, 2006
IS THIS TRUE? IF YES, THEN THE ANSWER IS THERE ITSELF.
Passed by Indian Parliament in 1983, Indian Penal Code 498A, is a criminal law (not a civil law) which is defined as follows,
“Whoever, being the husband or the relative of the husband of a woman, subjects such woman to cruelty shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine. The offence is Cognizable, non-compoundable and non-bailable.”
How are you at risk and why it is dangerous for the society?
Your wife/daughter-in-law who's demands are not met can make a written false complaint of dowry harassment to a nearby police station. The husband, his old parents and relatives are immediately arrested without sufficient investigation and put behind bars on a non-bailable terms. Even if the complaint is false, you shall be presumed guilty until you prove that you are innocent.
Passed by Indian Parliament in 1983, Indian Penal Code 498A, is a criminal law (not a civil law) which is defined as follows,
“Whoever, being the husband or the relative of the husband of a woman, subjects such woman to cruelty shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine. The offence is Cognizable, non-compoundable and non-bailable.”
How are you at risk and why it is dangerous for the society?
Your wife/daughter-in-law who's demands are not met can make a written false complaint of dowry harassment to a nearby police station. The husband, his old parents and relatives are immediately arrested without sufficient investigation and put behind bars on a non-bailable terms. Even if the complaint is false, you shall be presumed guilty until you prove that you are innocent.
# posted by : 4:29 AM, March 15, 2007
: 4:29 AM, March 15, 2007
Peopla are dieing due to the misuse of Indian Penal Code 498A and DV Law and people and lawyers are interested in Gere - Shilpa kiss???!!! The law makers of this law have left a window open for the legal misuse and they need to be taken to the court for so many deaths. How can they sleep like this???!!!
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